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Medical Attention After the Shooting

The handcuffing of Woody's arms may have prevented a physician present from accessing his wounds and may have cost him his life. Here is what the witnesses and police have to say about this and other events after the shooting.

Eyewitnesses

Clifton
source:12/3 interview
A doctor went over to try to ... they were going to handcuff him first and she suggested they didn't do that. And then the EMT"s came in and they brought in a stretcher and all of their equipment, and sort of wrapped him up. There was very little movement, you know, beause at that time I looked at him, I wondered if he had really been shot and I didn't see any blood, and people eventually got around him and I couldn't see him at all but I heard him just sort of saying that his arm hurt.
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Phyllis
source:12/2 interview, p.5
.. and they were saying everybody get out but I wasn't about to get out. So I looked and I saw Mr. Woodward was bleeding. I saw that his arm had been ... I saw open wounds in his arm, so I asked someone (describes search for towels)... I could see one of an entry wound he was back down ... I could see one in his flank area and so I needed to look at his front to see what because I thought he was I mean when I last looked he was facing the policemen so I was concerned about what was in the front, but I couldn't get him turned over because his hands were handcuffed and I kept asking the policemen, "Please take the handcuffs off so I can turn him over" and they would not take the handcuffs off so I could see that both arms ahd been shot. I was trying to get the bleeding stopped. The nurse who had asked questions, she was there helping to. Niether of us would leave. We stayed and were tending to him. And so finally when the EMTs got there they finally convinced them that they had to get the handcuffs off, so they took the handcuffs off. When they got the handcuffs off, I saw another entry wound hin his front, in his upper right quadrant. I never saw any exit wounds but there was a bullet over on his left side. It was just under the skin. It was just obviously right there. I felt if I could cut the skin I could remove the bullet. This arm had two or three, I think, bullet holes that looked like maybe one was an entry wound with an exit ... his right arm. His elbow was shattered. He wasn't bleeding too profusiely at the hsoptial he was bleeding profusely from that right elbow. The left arm was also shot. The EMT's got there by this time. By the time they got there the elbow was really edematous, it was really swelling. And then his left ... his right eye because very blurry. He had a surface wound along his right temple and his eyelid started swelling. I could not ever find any kind of bullet hole. And I couldn't figure out what was going on with his right eye, and now I think perhaps when they had him down maybe somehow they hit him. The surface wound on his right temple was self inflicted. He told me later at the hopsitpal. I felt that was probably the case. It didn't look like it had been made with a bullet.
He never lost consciousness. He was totally lucid throughout but he obvciously had terrible entries because he had two abdominal bullets and the bullets were still in there and so he was stable. He was talking to me, told me his name and his birthd dtate, where he was born, I gave the info to the hospital people. He was stable, He never quit breathing. At one point he was having trouble breathing and we made a chest Xray and it showed his chest was OK. We did not get an abdominal Xray, I think we probably should have.
source:3/25 synopsis
She believes it was 10-20 minutes before the EMT's arrived.
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Heidi
source:12/3 interview
I mean they obviously got his stomach. They got something, I don't even want to know what they got. And I saw his arm hurting. And he was so totally ... I could hear him still saying "Don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. I don't want to be hurt. I don't want to be hurt."
source:3/12 synopsis
She is upset that Woodward was handcuffed after he was shot.
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Adelbert
The ambulance was there almost immediately ... it was surprising how quickly people arrived including the police.
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Robert
It was quite amazing, suddenly the policemen who were firing are suddenly becoming nurses, and they are helping (unintelligable) the body is rolled over. Two of our parishioners who are professionals, one is an anaesthesiologist Doctor, Phyllis Woodring, is putting gloves on and help getting him the ambulance has arrived already and this man is placed on the stretcher and off he goes. It's quite amazing.
Yes, out of nowhere. I mean the police kept multiplying, like they were reproducing themselves. The ambulance appeared very quickly, it was amazing. As I mentioned already our own two people, our own from our congregation were helping getting him fixed up.
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Jane
source:12/2 interview, p.3
So I went and offered assistance to help out and the officers were saying that if I could be First Aid, myself and Phyllis the physician, if we could do that, to do so. So I went out to my car and got a first aid kit and proceeded to dress some of his wounds and speak to him.
Did he respond to you when you spoke with him?
Yes
What did he talk about?
Well, to me he seemed like he was in a state of shock. He said things like, he would ask things like when the paramedic or even the officer was in front of him or above him, people who were actively trying to give him help, you know, he asked who they were, and at one point one of the officers said, well, we're here to help you. And he kind of laughed at that, thought it was "well, isn't that strange," or "isn't that peculiar?" and he was saying things, he apologized for scaring people, and that he loved us all. He thought he was dying. He continued to have a lot of pressured speech. He just continued to say things about plots and CIA and so on and so forth. In my mind I felt he was probably paranoid schizophrenic.
source:12/2 interview, p.5
But I d did see the wounds. I was actively there through the whole time to the time he was carried off on the stretcher. So I saw the gun wounds. I was concerned about the gun wounds, actually. There were three that were on the right arm. Those I understood. Those would make sense. If you were not willing to give up the knife, it was concerning to me is that I disinctly remember seeing two gun shots in the abdomen which looked like it was around the liver. And there were none, we were not ... we had not pulled off his pants because to our knowledge there was no indication to think that there were gun shots on the lower extremities and the concern that I had here was if they're really concerned about getting this guy to give up his weapon or get him immobile or whatever, seems like they would have shot him in the leg. To shoot him in the stomach, I'm not sure what purpose that served.
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Donna
source:12/3 interview, p.6
One of the police officers saying "Let us help you, Let us help you." And the other one is saying "You know, we're going to help you, You are going to be OK, just let us help you. And they're trying to restrain him, and then I move around to the back of the chairs ...
source:12/3 interview, p.6
And Polly was there with me, she's an older woman, her husband's a doctor, and she said "I don't know what they're doing, I don't know what they're doing." And I said, "Well, they're trying to restrain him right now. He's still fighting them." I saw, you know, they had his left wrist and I did see some blood and on the elbow, and I really thought that it was like pellet guns or something rather than real bullets because I didn't see any blood fly and I've seen people shot before, and he said "This is it, I knew it. I knew it. I told you they're going, they're going to torture me now, they're going to torture me." And he's still screaming the same thing for two to three minutes, and I saw that they finally did get the handcuffs on that one arm, and they're trying to lift him up a little bit to see what's happening or where the blood is or whatever, how he was ... And he's saying "Oh you know, it hurts, it hurts." He was just moaning a lot, but he's still fighting them, basically. So Polly and I went over to the side. You know, the police man had already asked us to leave the room but it was sort of like a whole witness of all of it just to be there and then some other police or officials, I don't remember if they were police first or the EMT's came in, but they were coming in from outside. Yeah, it was a policeman who let them in, and they were EMT's and you know, there was like six people working on him. And ... Phylis Woodring, who went with them in the ambulance, an older woman, she ran over and said, you know, let me see if I can help. They were trying to stop the blood. I could see that they had pressure points on him ... and the one police officer who had been the first one on the scene came over and said, you know, "I really need you to leave." And we asked him, "were they real bullets or was it a stun gun?" And he said it was not a stun gun. So they brought the gurney out to try and get him on that, and he's still moaning, but he's not as, you know, he's not as wild. And so then we left and went out into the hallway, and I said I didn't think it was real bullets because there were a lot of people wild and crying. And then I saw my partner coming down the hill and I went out.. (can't understand) and that's the last I saw of him."
source:12/3 interview, p.15
And after he eventually fell down, he was still struggling?
Mm-hm.
And what was the officer's demeanor at that point?
They were extremely compassionate. They were, you know, trying to do what they could to assess his wounds. They were doing just what you'd expect them to do.
Did they do what you expected them to do?
They did what I expected them to do. I mean, they had the highest regard for, you know, still trying to help him out.
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Michael
source:12/2 interview
I observed paramedics arriving through the doors to attend to him, within less than five minutes from the shots.
source:12/2 interview, p.14
He was ah he was actually still yelling out, again I don't remember specifically what he was saying.
He was yelling out after he was shot?
yes, and ...
OK.
and moaning.
Did the officers place him in handcuffs?
I'm not sure if they were putting handcuffs on him or not because they were over him.
Could they have been helping him out?
Oh, well, definitely, well, I won't say definitely, but my impression was that they were subduing him in the sense of if he still you know, does he still have the knife, is he, is he combative, ah, in my, my impression was that after he was shot he still had a bit of energy going.
Did rescue show up?
Eventually.
How long after?
Oh, within five minutes
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Police

Marshall Holbrook
source:12/3 report
I was able to pry the knife out of his hand and tossed it away and tossed it away.
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Terrance Parker
source:12/3 interview
Once the knife was recovered by Officer Holbrook, I asked Officer Davies to handcuff him. I was going to hold both hands and we got the handcuffs on him and I was not able to cuff him myself. ... His right arm had been shot and it was bleeding and appeared a number of wounds, so it was very, it was a little bit slippery and stuff, but we were able to get both arms into submission for the handcuffing.
A woman approached and said she was a doctor, could I help? .. I said yes, please do whatever you can.
How long from shooting until rescue inc. arrived?
Uh, maybe two, maybe three minutes or so ...
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William Davies
He wouldn't relinquish the knife even with wounds to his arm, his right ar, he would not relinquish the knife that had been taken away from him, and then I handcuffed the suspect after Officer Holbrook was able to take the knife away from him.
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